The Page Numbers... And dots.

[Hawkwind]

This information is classified as a theory. It also may belong in the "Albums" forum. I'd have posted it on the old PubliusEnigma Forums, but my account was mysteriously eaten twice, then the forum got hacked.

Anyways...

PAGES TOTAL:
24 pages are in the tDB booklet in all. 24 = number of hours in a day. Also, 1994-24=1970.

MISSING ODD NUMBERS:

9, 23

9:
1994-9=1985. 1985 is when Roger Waters left the band.

23:
1994-23=1971
1971: Meddle released, 11/11/1971
11/11:
The Division Bell is 66:33 long. 2:1; also, 6:3 (There were six members of what we know today as Pink Floyd. Only three of those six worked on tDB)

ELEVEN:

The number eleven (ELF) is present twice on one page (ELF-ELF). 11x2=22 (11+11=22). 22 is, of course, the last numbered page in the booklet, also the only page (as I recall) where the words "THE DIVISION BELL" are explicitly printed. I'll check...

Actually, wait! It's also printed on page 2! 11x2=22

THE DOTS:

The dots as morse code? It could be K or R. RK: Radio K.A.O.S.? There's a lot of beeps at the end and beginning of it, which, as I recall, are morse code; it also contains a loop message (Chiasmus Theory to be discussed later). Not to mention, it was a Roger Waters solo project.

RK could also be "Roger Keith", A.K.A. Syd, Barrett.

Also, not the abundance of Gilmour compositions; only one is not credited to Gilmour on this album (WtiO). Bob Klose (see above) will be playing on Gilmour's upcoming "On An Island" solo album.

Personally, I'm thinking that this is in completely the wrong direction, but, nevertheless, it may be important to the enigma. I also have ideas about the Chiasmus Theory mentioned on one of the Enigma sites, and also regarding the imagery of the album, but that's for another time and place.

[Nikko]

It hadn't clicked with me that the Bob 'Rado' Klose on On An Island was the same Bob Klose from The Pink Floyd Sound (or was it The Abdabs then?)

Clive Metcalfe was bass player in Bob's time with the band. Could he have something to do with David's new album? Hmm... after a web search, it seems Metcalfe is now a painter.

[philtherodent]

Can someone post the languages or point me to a source that details the languages of the page numbers?

[Nikko]

According to Mark Brown and Dennis Howie, they are:

3 - tres (Spanish) (Could also be Catalan or Latin)
5 - five (English)
7 - sāta (Hindi)
8 - otto (Italian)
11 - elf, elf (German and/or Dutch)
13 - jyusan (Japanese - spoken)
15 - kumi na tano (Swahili)
17 - jyushichi or jyunana (Chinese or Japanese - written)
19 - dix-neuf (French)
21 - kaph aleph (Hebrew)
22 - dvatdtsat dva (Russian)

[philtherodent]

Thanks man.

[radlionheart]

I have only JUST learned of this Enigma...Puzzles Get to my Head, I really want to Figure out this Enigma now...

So You might see me around alot...Mabye every day, This number thing Doesn't sound like that's the case...but It May be I nrelation to the enigma...hmmm

[philtherodent]

Welcome!

[Nikko]

I don't think it's that easy to say for definite what is or isn't part of the Enigma. Anything in Pink Floyd's music or artwork could potentially be significant.

I think Hawkwind is on the right track with looking at numbers - Storm Thorgerson has mentioned a few times that numbers are significant in (at least some of) his art, and the Genesis posts mention numbers and sums.

[Hawkwind]

Shemp (hope you don't mind if I call you Shemp), that's precisely why I'm looking at the page numbers.

Anyhow, I observed the dots again, this time after reading a few web pages on the Enigma. I noticed at one of them the mention of 9.81N. There's also ONE filled dot. I'm sure that most of you know that, if you took three identical-size spherical containers (I say three for the sake of the three dots, but you could do this with two) made of the same material and filled one with water, it will be heavier than the others, unfilled. Perhaps this one could be an allusion to mass; 9.81N = 1kg. That is to say, that 1 kilogram of matter is pulled by a 9.81 Newton gravitational force toward thee ground. 1kg is a unit of mass (referring here to the measure of inertia, not of weight, as 'mass' if often equated with). This one, I'll admit, is far-fetched...

I also observed this section of this website. Observing the binary code, it seems that it could be 52 or 25. 25 is a perfect square, the smallest odd two-digit perfect square. It's also equal to one quarter times 100. (.25=1/4). A year on earth is officially 365.25 days long; hence, we have a leap year every four years.

Though, I'm not honestly sure about 52. Anyone have any ideas?

Also, I looked again at the "Morse Code" part... it could be RK (see above) or KR. "Kr" is the symbol for Krypton, a noble gas, element no. 36. 36=24*1.5. I wonder if this is just a coincidence.

So, basically, most of these are just interpretations of small pieces of data, and are probably coincidences, but one can never be too sure.

As for Clive Metcalfe... It says he was also a goldsmith. Hm... This mean anything to you?

[deadparrotsketch]

as i understand it the Morse code on radio k.a.o.s says:
roger-waters-radio kaos-who-needs-information.

publius said we need to communicate to solve the enigma;do you think that in doing so we solve the riddle?

[desperation]

on page 11 the ELF ELF........the to faces are facing away from each other and the ELF is not reflected but rotated...sketchy...i have just started looking at this and plan on continuing...i always knew PF had some sort of hidden enigma type message in their music......in response to dead parrott.....that is a perfectly plausible answer as there is always some sort of link between the mouths of the faces..and the faces can also look like one face...the only time when there is no link is when they dont face each other on page 11 and when they are represented through boxing gloves which could meen fighting is failure...does anybody know what happened in November 1989 to make it a great day for freedom? ..also in one post it says flip the cover and if you flip the P symbol it looks like a G and a T which i have just discovered and havent looked into yet.....

[desperation]

i think it actually means november 11th 1989...look at the news paper

[desperation]

and it just so happens that on this day a newspaper in germany was released:
Berlin Wall falls... In a Berlin newspaper...
160345 1989-11-11 DER TAGESSPIEGEL, Berlin, Germany, November 11, 1989 See the photo below for the historic front page headlines of this significant issue, which translates to: "Berlin is United on the Streets" "German Democratic Republic Breaks Open the Wall for New Crossing Points" with a subhead reading: "Since early morning more than 100,000 East Germans have Come to Us". There is a front page photo showin ...

www.rarenewspapers.com/list.aspx?CILCode=TRITRAG

any relation to a certain pink floyd album done mostly bt he whom left the band?

The wall was in part about the berlin wall and the tearing down of the berlin wall being a great day for freedom.....well i hope you know where im going because i could go on for hours

[philtherodent]

DG has said in interview the GDfF lyric has nothing to do with Roger's wall. Berlin is a likely possibility though.

[desperation]

Bu the Wall had relations to the Berlin wall...so maybe he inderectly means it?