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Post by philtherodent on Jul 28, 2011 18:07:57 GMT
Ok, interesting. So, ]412 is probably from advice, which would rightly be ;412, but, no problem as I don't have an association with ]. The ;Z must then be from the word "emphasize", which is the only "z" following. But, it is a capital. So, that means (at least to me), that the reference is actually to "EMPHASIZE", not "emphasize"... meaning that Publius changed the source before garbling it.
Or, perhaps part of the word. Maybe a pun, as in "emphaSIZE".
Hmm.
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Post by myriadsmallcreatur on Jul 28, 2011 18:21:40 GMT
Because it would be so cool for it to be connected with the Enigma machine, I imagined that the 412 might represent the three rotors, and the Z the reflector, but I'm just not good enough to see it through. Furthermore, it would mean that the creators were going from one meaningful message to another, which would be a spectacular achievement--and of course brilliantly simple.  |
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Post by philtherodent on Jul 28, 2011 18:29:24 GMT
Could be. I am also remind of the poster. Note the similarity of the central icon with ]412.  That icon is also present in the High Hopes video. EDIT: Incidentally, I think the presentation on that poster is immensely important. You WILL notice that the other two logos there -- and the only other two logos found in the CD booklet, belong to Cluster One and Poles Apart. Further, the Columbia disk has the logo for Cluster One on the rear, while EMI has the logo for Poles Apart on the rear. And, Columbia has one target on the side, while EMI has two. ONE - Cluster One - Columbia TWO - Poles Apart - EMI And, then there's the matter of those three dots -- right between THE DIVISION BELL and Cluster One. ◦•◦ |
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Post by myriadsmallcreatur on Jul 28, 2011 19:30:19 GMT
I was fortunate, I think, to have read The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind a number of times (as well as some of its sources) before I came upon The Division Bell and the music, lyrics, artwork, and the Publius posts, and much of Storm's other artwork had an immediate scientific and magical context which is unbroken to this day. Mistaken or otherwise, I made the connection between the two immediately on seeing the head on the cover of the cd booklet.
In June of 1994, Douglas Adams had (one of the first on the Internet for a celebrity) a forum of his own in which he interacted with his fanbase. There are a number of posts still extant under 3 email addresses still available via Usenet.
Most of the posts he made that Summer are clustered around the Publius posts and have an odd resonance to them, or so it seems to me.
Among a number of interesting references and suggestions he makes, he mentions "The Origin of Consciousness" as being compulsory reading.
I recommend it as well, not for any great truths it might contain, but for the courage of the effort made to synthesize any number of scientific fields.
I say all this because the work informs, in a sense, in my opinion, even this set of three scrambled posts.
Of course much work has been done since which maybe supersedes that book, maybe even been inspired by it, maybe things like that video you posted earlier. And thanks again for that.
What do you think of the quotation from Matthew?
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Post by philtherodent on Jul 28, 2011 19:44:32 GMT
I saw something that looked like "if...then" statements, but turned out not to be, so I dismissed it.
This is what I read:
If your eye is single, your body is full of light.
If your eye is evil, your body is full of dark.
If the light is dark, then it is dark.
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Post by myriadsmallcreatur on Jul 28, 2011 20:07:16 GMT
I saw something that looked like "if...then" statements, but turned out not to be, so I dismissed it. This is what I read: If your eye is single, your body is full of light. If your eye is evil, your body is full of dark. If the light is dark, then it is dark. Okay! It's meant to be evocative, not logical disputation. What does it mean: "If your eye is single"? Ummm, never mind. Just a segue... |
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Post by philtherodent on Jul 28, 2011 20:10:16 GMT
All good. |
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Post by myriadsmallcreatur on Jul 29, 2011 13:28:09 GMT
In my opinion, the most interesting part of the scrambled post (though not the only) is the blade of the key. Ignoring for now, the minor differences between the first and the second messages, and the third...
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Special cheers to 'The Publius Concern'-I'm
flattered - and
other fo9mal comm4:tees wh7
have fo962d to i7;29tigat2
:4e eni360
No;
62t me
46809t a
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1768o727:
928:4929
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To belabor the obvious...
the message begins entirely as alpha on the bow of the key. No accident. The beginning of the transition from the bow to the blade coincides with the transition to numeric. The transition approaching 50-50 alphanumeric is marked by the temporal marker "Now" set off by itself, suggesting perhaps a temporal transition at that point from the past to the future. The first word which has been altered at all is the word 'formal', suggesting that the transition from alpha to numeric involves the creation of a form. To emphasize the importance of this, a variation of the word 'formal' is used immediately after. No accident.
The first word which has been completely altered is the word 'word' itself. Ironic?
Each of the lines which have been 'notched', to continue the key metaphor, has a certain number of letters/numbers. Each of the lines/notches may represent a word, or more likely may represent a letter of a word, the word being either alpha or numeric.
As the messenger is attempting to "impart a word of advice".
I entertain the notion that the word, if there is one, is a twelve-letter word, or a twelve-digit number, which shapes the blade of the key. Say the word, enter the numbers, the key turns, the door opens sesame.
Elegantly constructed, no?
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Post by philtherodent on Jul 29, 2011 16:40:47 GMT
Ya, I'm definitely with you on that. Right up until the end, at any rate. Any key that is contained in this message would be for providing guidance over solution. Problem is, we already have the key very obviously at the beginning of Lost For Words. But then, there is the matter of the boxing count. Now, I've re-examined the boxing count using the look-up table provided on page 1 of this thread, and it's just gook. I ran all permutations, and the only thing midly interesting that I noticed was "K-MAP ON KI" could be spelled in reverse. But I wouldn't give that much weight. So, an alpha-numeric cipher would be really easy to do here, and it would also be really easy to crack. But, let's pull out some numbers... 3 - 5 7 4 8 5 4 2 9 8 3 3 5 Frequencies: 2 - 1 (7.7%) 3 - 3 (23%) 4 - 2 (15.4%) 5 - 3 (23%) 7 - 1 (7.7%) 8 - 2 (15.4%) 9 - 1 (7.7%) Of course, that first 3, "No;" may or may not be part of it. If he is using the key again in the number of letters, we might expect frequencies to approximate english. Here's how expected frequencies would lie (for reference, I'm using the Cornell University Math Explorer's Project frequency list found on Wikipedia)... 0 (a) - 8.167% 1 (bc) - 4.274% 2 (de) - 16.955% 3 (fg) - 4.243% 4 (hi) - 13.06% 5 (jk) - 0.925% 6 (lm) - 6.431% 7 (no) - 14.256% 8 (pq) - 2.024% 9 (rs) - 12.314% Obviously, entries on the list after 9 (:,  have no conversion, so we can not use them, but we can note that the space between "No;" and "62t me" can easily represent a 0, which is the letter a. Side-by-side | Number | % Present | % Expected |
[/b][/tr] [tr][td]0[/td][td]7.7[/td][td]8.2[/td][/tr] [tr][td]1[/td][td]---[/td][td]4.3[/td][/tr] [tr][td]2[/td][td]7.7[/td][td]17[/td][/tr] [tr][td]3[/td][td]23[/td][td]4.2[/td][/tr] [tr][td]4[/td][td]15.4[/td][td]13.06[/td][/tr] [tr][td]5[/td][td]23[/td][td]0.925[/td][/tr] [tr][td]6[/td][td]---[/td][td]6.431[/td][/tr] [tr][td]7[/td][td]7.7[/td][td]14.256[/td][/tr] [tr][td]8[/td][td]15.4[/td][td]2.024[/td][/tr] [tr][td]9[/td][td]7.7[/td][td]12.314[/td][/tr] [/table] Now obviously, we are working on only 13 characters, so the expected frequencies are going to shift (the longer the text, the closer they are going to get), but we can see that even if we are dealing with an anagram, that we are looking at something that is unreasonably heavy in 5s (jk) and 8s (pq). So if you were looking at another song anagram, you'd probably want to lean towards something like "Keep Talking" for the Ks and the P. It's NOT "Keep Talking", but, that's the sort of area I'd be investigating on this train of thought... |
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Post by myriadsmallcreatur on Jul 29, 2011 17:12:44 GMT
You might consider that all of the 12 notches have between 1 (2 actually) and 10 alphanumeric characters, no more, no less. So the number of characters may be simply a digit.
6-8-4-9-5-4-2-9-8-3-3-5
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Post by myriadsmallcreatur on Jul 29, 2011 17:34:54 GMT
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Post by philtherodent on Jul 29, 2011 17:59:37 GMT
Number of characters could be a digit, yes. I should also consider that. Also, given that a=0 and there is no real reason to have a blank space between "No;" and "62t me", we might also consider that as a 0. So, the numbers could rightly be 30684954298335. | Number | % Present | % Expected |
[/b][/tr] [tr][td]0[/td][td]7.14[/td][td]8.2[/td][/tr] [tr][td]1[/td][td]---[/td][td]4.3[/td][/tr] [tr][td]2[/td][td]7.14[/td][td]17[/td][/tr] [tr][td]3[/td][td]21.43[/td][td]4.2[/td][/tr] [tr][td]4[/td][td]14.29[/td][td]13.06[/td][/tr] [tr][td]5[/td][td]14.29[/td][td]0.925[/td][/tr] [tr][td]6[/td][td]7.14[/td][td]6.431[/td][/tr] [tr][td]7[/td][td]---[/td][td]14.256[/td][/tr] [tr][td]8[/td][td]14.29[/td][td]2.024[/td][/tr] [tr][td]9[/td][td]14.29[/td][td]12.314[/td][/tr] [/table] F/G (3) is pretty heavy in the revised count and we have heavy representation of P/Q (8). We still can't consider it a direct substitution encryption due to the 98335 at the end, which would contain no vowels. I see your snippet on making keys, but, I'm not understanding why this might be of value. Even if a physical key was to be made, I feel it should be more correct to "bit" off the key sequence given in the song which contains "the key" -- which would be 4,5,(6/7),7,8,10,6,5. And even if you constructed such a key, what would you use it for? |
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Post by myriadsmallcreatur on Jul 29, 2011 18:05:15 GMT
Just for fun, you might notice that the only? (can't remember) the only difference between the first and the second scrambled message is in this line...
17687727:
1768o727:
Do you see how that might correlate to the 6/7 left/right channel part of the count?
Also, in a way it relates to what you were saying about the US/UK versions of the booklet.
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Post by myriadsmallcreatur on Jul 29, 2011 18:08:59 GMT
"I see your snippet on making keys, but, I'm not understanding why this might be of value. Even if a physical key was to be made, I feel it should be more correct to "bit" off the key sequence given in the song which contains "the key" -- which would be 4,5,(6/7),7,8,10,6,5. And even if you constructed such a key, what would you use it for?"
I find it unlikely (though not impossible) that any physical key with notches will be necessary to solve the Publius Enigma, especially given my interpretation of its nature.
I'm simply trying at this point to show all the ways in which an heroic effort was made to create this particular part of the puzzle.
A lot, a lot of work went into this. For what reason? Dunno.
I point to The Origin of Consciousness. But that's just me.
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Post by philtherodent on Jul 29, 2011 18:18:49 GMT
The boxing count zero sums, so it's all in center in mono. At least in the US version I examined. But that's exactly the type of reasoning a have towards the UK/US versions... and this is in agreement behind my thoughts on the poster, noted above.
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have no conversion, so we can not use them, but we can note that the space between "No;" and "62t me" can easily represent a 0, which is the letter a.